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bill clinton, and matt is right about this, bill clinton brought the democratic party -- it wasn't a break with its fundamental values but he brought it forward to a place where it could win elections again. it's going to be tougher for the republicans because those folks in the iowa caucuses are going to stand there and say who is the most anti-gay candidate, who is the most anti-immigrate candidate and the person who is is most likely to win the caucuses. >> what clinton did was took on tough issues for the party, crime, welfare, trade, and he repo significanced with a substantive debate. >> indeed. let's hope they can begin by being no longer anti-factual. our thanks to bob and matt. thank you. >> next, mr. boehner and his kurt statement to the white house. does the speaker really speak for anyone anymore? stay with us. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to
bill clinton, and matt is right about this, bill clinton brought the democratic party -- it wasn't a break with its fundamental values but he brought it forward to a place where it could win elections again. it's going to be tougher for the republicans because those folks in the iowa caucuses are going to stand there and say who is the most anti-gay candidate, who is the most anti-immigrate candidate and the person who is is most likely to win the caucuses. >> what clinton did was took on...
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when nixon's wife died he complained that bill clinton, quote, came to me for advice to save his bottom and couldn't even send a cabinet member to pat's funeral. these are relationships forged around rivalries. i think it's impossible to expect, especially these two, to move forward and have a lunch. it's weird. >> yeah. they seem to really actually have total contempt and disdain for one another. which is different than, you know, i think the president did have a certain level of respect for mccain. i will say your intro, jonathan, about costco, i was thinking i love the joe biden image at costco. if the two guys, mitt romney and the president, were like wandering through costco together, getting samples, that would be a beautiful image. >> that's not weird, but sitting down at lunch is weird? >> one thing i feel like they might actually have in common, i feel like they both might like costco. we'll have to speculate on that. the thing is for me, not only is there no substance here, but even the symbolism of it, what does it really matter? nobody -- mitt romney doesn't have a constitue
when nixon's wife died he complained that bill clinton, quote, came to me for advice to save his bottom and couldn't even send a cabinet member to pat's funeral. these are relationships forged around rivalries. i think it's impossible to expect, especially these two, to move forward and have a lunch. it's weird. >> yeah. they seem to really actually have total contempt and disdain for one another. which is different than, you know, i think the president did have a certain level of respect...
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ambassador under president clinton. thank you, governor, senator -- not a governor. an ambassador for joining us. just before we came back from break you happened to mention to me that you had a phone call from ambassador rice last week. you're briefed. you say what's in the paerp. you did that. that's important for the country. go to the hill. talk to senators. don't hold back. >> so she did that yesterday, and they emerged, and you heard that line, that seemed very similar. everyone being more troubled than they were before. >> the problem is not what ambassador rice has done. it seems some of the intelligence reports were not as accurate as they should have been. >> okay. good point. good point. because she was privy to two different sets of reports. classified, unclassified. i know you know this drill. but she went on tv only saying what was m unclassified reports, even though it was in direct opposition to what was in the -- how does that happen? why wouldn't you just say, you know, i'm not comfortable going on tv and saying this, call someone else? >> from what
ambassador under president clinton. thank you, governor, senator -- not a governor. an ambassador for joining us. just before we came back from break you happened to mention to me that you had a phone call from ambassador rice last week. you're briefed. you say what's in the paerp. you did that. that's important for the country. go to the hill. talk to senators. don't hold back. >> so she did that yesterday, and they emerged, and you heard that line, that seemed very similar. everyone...
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and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we hammer out the long-range solutions to all this. >> i want to you listen to something that your colleague, pattie murray, from washington state said on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea is to accept a compromise that allows the wealthy americans to continue to not pay their fair share because the result of that will be middle class families will bear the entire bu
and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we...
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you go back to bill clinton's tax rates which we did pretty well under bill clinton, you cut some defense spending, which isn't going to get cut otherwise because the defense contractors are in practically every congressional district in the place. and you do make some human services cuts which i don't like but everybody's going to have to put something on the table here. >> steve rattner, i'm sure you would beg to differ with what howard dean had to say as far as the fiscal cliff goes. he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happe
you go back to bill clinton's tax rates which we did pretty well under bill clinton, you cut some defense spending, which isn't going to get cut otherwise because the defense contractors are in practically every congressional district in the place. and you do make some human services cuts which i don't like but everybody's going to have to put something on the table here. >> steve rattner, i'm sure you would beg to differ with what howard dean had to say as far as the fiscal cliff goes....
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we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage. >> i want to point this out. this is interesting in terms of the smoke and mirrors how this will play out for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, right. >> i see a par
we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage....
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if it were president bill clinton, you might think that something. ideas might be exchanged with one another. >> steve: some folks suggest that maybe the president would offer him secretary of business. >> gretchen: really? wait a minute. what percentage of people watching right now think that president obama would offer mitt romney secretary of business. >> brian: that is. >> gretchen: that would be fantastic but i doubt it. >> brian: in reading his bio. one of the business mistake was working in the cabinet for president nixon. i am personally kind of disappointed that bee are talking about tax rates for the rich. >> steve: campaign. >> brian: what about the middle class people standing in the back drop as they need a break and the president urging for something to be done yesterday and there is no scheduled meetings with john boehner. >> gretchen: it is annoying to see just a campaign. how many people are tired of a campaign speech. why not come to the table and figure it out. i don't understand it. >> steve: at this point, both sides know what th
if it were president bill clinton, you might think that something. ideas might be exchanged with one another. >> steve: some folks suggest that maybe the president would offer him secretary of business. >> gretchen: really? wait a minute. what percentage of people watching right now think that president obama would offer mitt romney secretary of business. >> brian: that is. >> gretchen: that would be fantastic but i doubt it. >> brian: in reading his bio. one of...
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bill clinton had beat the sitting president, george herber walker bush, and they met similar to the way romney and obama are now, and now clinton and 41 are dear, close friends and have done many constructive things together around the world. i think, by and large, these meetings, the luncheon today, will be about optics. it's the photo ops. it's a chance to say america is united. there may be an opportunity here for mitt romney to come out and talk about the fiscal cliff or saying we must avoid falling off it towards something that could be helpful to the white house in the end. i remember back in 2008 it was john mccain that met with president obama. they met in his office in chicago. not at the white house. it seemed like that was the beginning, potentially of two leaders really working together. we have since seen that deteriorate. >> we can't judge personal kem tri. i think barack obama has more at stake in this lunch in the end than mitt romney. if obama can get romney to say something positive about moving a health care agenda forward after all obama care was built on the backs o
bill clinton had beat the sitting president, george herber walker bush, and they met similar to the way romney and obama are now, and now clinton and 41 are dear, close friends and have done many constructive things together around the world. i think, by and large, these meetings, the luncheon today, will be about optics. it's the photo ops. it's a chance to say america is united. there may be an opportunity here for mitt romney to come out and talk about the fiscal cliff or saying we must...
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bill clinton dropped in to see george h.w. bush after winning the 1992 election, and you would have thought that they had always been the best of friends. >> very, very friendly and very helpful. >> reporter: one topic that never came up in today's meeting, the campaign. no wonder they had such a good time. but things don't always go that well. george w. bush's meeting with al gore in 2000 was notable only for its brevity. >> i think in general, they're very awkward, but that photo op tells the world, really, that america's back, operating as one united country. >> reporter: now, the white house won't say whether the president will ask romney's help on any particular issue, as he suggested he might on election night. and we won't know anything about the meeting except what they tell us, because the two men will be having lunch alone and there won't be a chance to ask because there's no press coverage. charlie, norah? >> bill plante, thank you. csu political director john dickerson is with us again. john, good morning. >> charl
bill clinton dropped in to see george h.w. bush after winning the 1992 election, and you would have thought that they had always been the best of friends. >> very, very friendly and very helpful. >> reporter: one topic that never came up in today's meeting, the campaign. no wonder they had such a good time. but things don't always go that well. george w. bush's meeting with al gore in 2000 was notable only for its brevity. >> i think in general, they're very awkward, but that...
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doug schoen former adviser to bill clinton. monica crowley, fox news contributor. i it's the thing to do. you get a call. >> president obama has a pattern of inviting political opponents, business leaders to the white house for some sort of confab. what it kals end ends up being is a photo opportunity so he looks like he's extending himself to the opposition, he's bipartisan, and he is neither of those things. bill: would you accept that invite. >> i would accept in a heartbeat. bill: monica is saying nada on this. >> i would be more optimistic on this. we are groping for bi-partisanship. if governor romney has things to share and ways to bridge the fiscal cliff this is all good. bill: we went back to the vault to figure out what they are not going to talk about. we found this first of all, okay. i want you to listen to. roll it. >> i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i had a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers. bill: i've been in business 25 years. i've got no idea what you're ta
doug schoen former adviser to bill clinton. monica crowley, fox news contributor. i it's the thing to do. you get a call. >> president obama has a pattern of inviting political opponents, business leaders to the white house for some sort of confab. what it kals end ends up being is a photo opportunity so he looks like he's extending himself to the opposition, he's bipartisan, and he is neither of those things. bill: would you accept that invite. >> i would accept in a heartbeat....